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we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for example, susan rice's statements more up to scrutiny? >> well, i think answers the fundamental question, did they deliberately mislead on this case for political reasons because they were driving the narrative that al-qaeda had been decimated and the war, war was receding or a question of incompetence. neither of those two things is good for the administration although it's after the election, so, they can get the consequences. >> let's take a look at the president talking about susan rice, the u.n. ambassador who many think he will nominate to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. >> for them to go after
we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for...
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secondly the moment that the fbi and the fbi director found out or realized general petraeus was within the scope of the investigation, should have gone to the attorney general which apparently they did. but at the earlier they should are v done that and president should have been advised. otherwise to me the president was poorly served unless there is a mindset in the administration that, you know, they just make believe reality isn't there until after the election. we really believe this was a four-month investigation involving the recollector of the sigh eye and did not come to fruition until election night. >> that's the hard part. >> that was absolutely impossible to believe. >> i agree. it is just not a credible position. but chairman, before i lose you, look, petraeus, great american. great man. but he made a great mistake, peter. he made a great mistake. and i think guys like that have to have honor and have to have personal morality. they have to set an example. i mean, that's also part of this story, is it not. >> it is. and i -- again, i urged general petraeus to run for pres
secondly the moment that the fbi and the fbi director found out or realized general petraeus was within the scope of the investigation, should have gone to the attorney general which apparently they did. but at the earlier they should are v done that and president should have been advised. otherwise to me the president was poorly served unless there is a mindset in the administration that, you know, they just make believe reality isn't there until after the election. we really believe this was...
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to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was involved, at least the focus of the investigation, whether or not he was a target, he was involved in something that could make him susceptible to blackmail. it's hard to believe that this went on for so long without anybody being told at the white house. i would think that the fbi has an obligation to tell the president that this type of investigation was going on and the white house was told about it the very day of the elections. it raises a lot of questions and this doesn't added a up. >> why weren't the house and senate intelligence committees alerted? >> my understanding is that the house int
to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was...
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testify before the house intelligence committee and it really begs the question he of what does the fbi know and when did they know it. how long did they sit on that information? i recall that general petraeus briefed the senate about what happened in benghazi. did he have this looming over his head? >> general petraeus, who has been married to his wife holly since 1974, called his extramarital affair, quote, unacceptable and said it showed quote, extremely poor judgment. president obama praised the retired four-star army general saying he had quote, provided extraordinary service to the united states for decades. and the key democrat in the senate, diane feinstein chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee lamented the loss of petraeus to the cia writing in a statement, quote, this is an enormous loss for our intelligence community and our country of the. i wish president obama had not accepted this resignation, but i understand and respect the decision. cia deputy director michael morelle will head the cia now until the president decides on another director. kelly and jamie. >> k
testify before the house intelligence committee and it really begs the question he of what does the fbi know and when did they know it. how long did they sit on that information? i recall that general petraeus briefed the senate about what happened in benghazi. did he have this looming over his head? >> general petraeus, who has been married to his wife holly since 1974, called his extramarital affair, quote, unacceptable and said it showed quote, extremely poor judgment. president obama...
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it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie. the sex appeal, the toughness. can't you see the scenes of her and the general running through the mountains of afghanistan during which they find a cave and do some cardio. back at home we see the wife, holly petraeus, played by kathy bates. we get bruce willis to play general allen because his entrance makes the story even more bizarre. and to play jill kelley, the hot wife who unnerved the tough broadwell and made an fbi agent go mad and called the fbi launching the whole investigation i would would point back to her, we get, yep, kim kardashian. so what if she can't act. no
it's got generals and wives with wandering eyes and a weirdly obsessed fbi agent. we'll call it, i don't know, dogs of war on the spy who loved me or the dirty dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie....
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> she introduced here's to david petraeus. she was a pair trooper. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has been nearly two weeks since san
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> she introduced here's to david petraeus. she was a pair trooper. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but...
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there was a thing about the fbi not coming back for three weeks. they had to make sure their lives are at risk. we had to rely at the beginning with an unorganized government .orking with us heade we talked some about susan rice. she got a lot of the same affirmation we did. i will make a comparison to:pal. getting information from the administration on the fax. -- colin powell. i said they knew right away they were terrorists involved in the operation. >> did you understand my question? if we do within 24 hours it was terraced related, how come five days later she is still saying it was a spontaneous demonstration? >> i did not talk to susan rice. she received information. he was not a part of briefing susan rice. affirmation can together with different agencies that came along giving of permission to susan rice or anyone else. >> he was the head of the -- >> he was the head of the cia. he personally did not believe this is an arrest. >> does he not over see all of the -- >> part of the team of the cia which he is in charge, yes. the bottom line i
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>> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on something that comes out as a result of this. the most important thing is we let the professionals do the job. we follow the facts and then we then as members of congress come together and make the decisions on what occurred and how things occurred. if you're talking about the benghazi issue we had four americans killed. we have to see whether there were intelligence failures. we have to make sure more importantly that americans who work for the state department or united states, anywhere in the world, are protected. and we want to see based on th
>> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on...
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>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things i've tried to do, chris, is bring both sides together. so, my vice chairman saxby chambliss and i share material and work together and that is a very important concept. with neither of us knowing ahead of time, all of this, obviously, comes as a big shock. and we are very much able to keep things in a classified setting, at least if you know you can begin to think and then to plan and, of course we have not had that opportunity. we begin our hearings on thursday. this is an inquiry, it's not a single hearing. there will be many different aspects of it. and, you know, o
>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things...
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first of all -- excuse me -- how something about emails went to the level of the fbi, how the fbi could have been investigating it this long, and yet, you know, general petraeus was involved, director petraeus was involved. for me if it was the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state so it seems to be going on for severalonths and, yet, now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up, and you have this type of investigation. the fbi investigating emails, the emails leading to the cia director and taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved. i have real questions about this. i think a timeline has to be looked at and analyzed to see what happened. now, as far as leaving the hole, general petraeus was an outstanding general, outstanding, dedicated public official. he is going to be missed. as i'm sure senator mendez would agree, no one is irreplaceable in government, but he will have at least a short-term im
first of all -- excuse me -- how something about emails went to the level of the fbi, how the fbi could have been investigating it this long, and yet, you know, general petraeus was involved, director petraeus was involved. for me if it was the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state so it seems to be going on for severalonths and, yet, now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that...
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we're not going in to the fbi investigation or the inspector general or anything else. this is benghazi. >> on thursday in a briefing which stretched more than three and a half hours, intelligence officials showed lawmakers real time film of the attack for the first time. >> the film is a composite from a number of sources. it is real time. it does begin from when the incident started and it goes through the incident. and the exodus. >> attorney general eric holder is defending the fbi publicly for the first time as some lawmakers say the agency was too slow to inform them and the president of the petraeus investigation. >> we follow the facts. we do not share outside the justice department, outside the fbi the facts of ongoing investigations. we made the determination as we were going through the matter that there was not a threat to national security. >> joining me now nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell and, kelly, a lot of moving parts on capitol hill this morning. what questions are lawmakers interested in putting to petraeus? any new information out o
we're not going in to the fbi investigation or the inspector general or anything else. this is benghazi. >> on thursday in a briefing which stretched more than three and a half hours, intelligence officials showed lawmakers real time film of the attack for the first time. >> the film is a composite from a number of sources. it is real time. it does begin from when the incident started and it goes through the incident. and the exodus. >> attorney general eric holder is...
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intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi drirector had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months and now it appears that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus wasn't involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were not informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi did not notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have an effect on national security. i think that we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and possible security breach in october after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue, petraeus stepped down days bef
intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi drirector had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months and now it appears that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus wasn't involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were...
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and why does the evidence keep getting discovered by the press and outside people, not by -- by the fbi, by administration officials and if they are going to put out the information to the senate, why don't they put it out for two days when nobody's around. >> sean: my goodness. you would have to be stupid not to come to the conclusion that there is something very suspicious here. >> greta: you left one out, the fact that a month ago, a tukneesian man was picked up in turkey, spotted by the cia and the video was at the consulate. he was puck picked up, turned over to tunewskneesia and for a month, we'll told we couldn't question him. and final, senator lindsay graham makes a phone call last week and the fbi get access to this man, something the president of the united states didn't do, couldn't do, wouldn't do. we have a senator from south carolina makes a simple phone call and now three weeks later, we have access to thim. >> this is not going to go away. no matter how much the white house wants to wish it away, or the state department. it won't go away until the questions are answered
and why does the evidence keep getting discovered by the press and outside people, not by -- by the fbi, by administration officials and if they are going to put out the information to the senate, why don't they put it out for two days when nobody's around. >> sean: my goodness. you would have to be stupid not to come to the conclusion that there is something very suspicious here. >> greta: you left one out, the fact that a month ago, a tukneesian man was picked up in turkey,...
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how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc politica
how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a...
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that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his best interests of himself, the agency, and his family to resign. so unless something else comes out i think it's pretty clear. i don't see a conspiracy behind every curtain as some of my colleagues do. >> okay. senator, let me turn to the so-called fiscal cliff, which now we're looking at through the prism of what just happened in the elections. as far as you're concerned, is there a mandate that came out of this election that taxes should be raised on the wealthy? that seems to be what democrats are arguing. >> i think there are two mandates. number one is the electorate w
that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his...
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he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the resignation. he was set to testify about benghazi. here is ralph peters, an analyst for fox news. this is what i'm talking about, this emerging conspiracy theory, and here it is coming from fox. let's watch. >> as an old intelligence analyst, the way i read it, and i could be totally wrong, this is my interpretation is that the administration was unhappy with petraeus not playing ball 100% on their party line story. i think he was getting cold feet about testifying under oath and their party line story, and i suspect these tough chicago guys knew of this
he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the...
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fox news has learned an fbi investigation exposed the affair. sources say agents were investigating a bigger case that led them to the other woman. the woman wrote a book about general petraeus called on in. he broke the news to the president yesterday face to face at the white house asking to resign as cia director for what he called personal reasons. today general petraeus told cia staffers, quote: after being married for over 37 years i showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in extramarital affair. such behavior is unacceptable. both as a husband and a leader of the organization such as ours. this afternoon, president obama graciously accepted my resignation. general petraeus was set to testify on capitol hill next week about the terror attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. tonight, fox news has learned he will not be testifying. we have team fox coverage now. ed henry with reaction from the white house. first though to chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live from our d.c. newsroom. catherine, you're now uncovering mu
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you know in the access to the e-mails that the fbi investigation. clearly will be questions and probably an investigation into whether our intelligence community was compromised by this. all indications are that it wasn't. but gene is right this also comes in a political contest which is the growing intensity of the growing investigations into what happened with respect to benghazi. there's so many balls in the air here. it's an awkward time for the cia to have this happen. there's never a nonawkward time but this is a particularly awkward time and for the ard mrgs as well which that's to shuffle the stop staff at the same time they're expected to asking questions from congress. i expect multiple story lines. >> i want to sam rise. law enforcement officials tell nbc news that the fbi is investigating the general's bog fer paula broadwell for improperly trying to access general petraeus's e-mail and potentially accessing classified information. the officials say they do not believe this will result in any criminal charges. they also stressed that gen
you know in the access to the e-mails that the fbi investigation. clearly will be questions and probably an investigation into whether our intelligence community was compromised by this. all indications are that it wasn't. but gene is right this also comes in a political contest which is the growing intensity of the growing investigations into what happened with respect to benghazi. there's so many balls in the air here. it's an awkward time for the cia to have this happen. there's never a...
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the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and telling the staff that he had gone to the white house on thursday and asked president obama to accept his resignation. on friday during a phone call, the white house says the president did accept petraeus' resignation, throwing his national security team into fl just days after the election. by the time david petraeus got his first taste of real combat, he was a 50-year-old major general. in 2003, he commanded the 101st airborne during its march on baghdad. it was in iraq that he rhetorically asked a reporter, tell me how this ends, suggesting trouble the u.s. would have there in later years. there he ga
the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and...
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that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that. >> joe sestak, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of layoffs. he's blaming president obama's re-election. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the re-election of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in on the racist reactions around the country. >>> thanks for staying with us tonight. the leader of a comp
that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that....